Cameo VS Silvercreek Gold

Sundance Cameo VS Haven Silvercreek Gold, Provence with Twin Master Massage
Specifications	Sundance Cameo	Haven Silvercreek Gold	Comparative Comment
Size inches	89x89x37.5	92x92x38	Silvercreek is larger more room
Dry Weight	861 LB	881 LB	Silvercreek is larger and weighs more even though it is not stuffed with foam to hold it together.
Cabinet Construction	2x2 frames, stuffed with foam to keep it from falling down. The bottom of the shell is supported by cut PVC pipe and so are the seats.	The shell is much stronger on the Silvercreek and the frames can support up to 40,000 LB of load. There are 14 vertical 2x4 house framing lumber. The entire bottom is also framed in pressure treated lumber.	The construction of the Haven Spas is superior to any brand of spas made today, except for the Phoenix spas, the people who build our basic spa for us.
Insulation	30 Year old antique Full Foam with huge vents that waste energy.	Modern Thermal Closed insulation with warm air barrier insulation.	The insulation used on Sundance is a joke in this day and age.
Filled weight	4572 LB	4504 LB
Water Capacity (avg. fill)	445	440	About the same. The Silvercreek has more defined seating that varies from super deep to high for cooler seating. The lounge is better in the Silvercreek for anti flotation, because of the ergonomics of the shape and the water depth maximum of 23 inches. Haven Spas are noted for having the best anti floating lounges.
Water Pump (Water Delivery)	2 ea. ONE SPEED "TheraMax" 2-inch intake and 2 inch outlets. (No water flow PSI specifications. From research it is 160 GPM at 17 PSI. Please correct this if you know.) LIst price $421.42	2 ea. TWO SPEED WW 3 HP Executive with 2.5 inch intake and 2 inch out lets. Water Flow at 180 GPM at 17 PSI. List price $544.50 each. Plus 1 each one speed 3 HP for the twin Master Jets. 160 GPM List $453.66	The Silvercreek has higher quality equipment with better more well known motors for longevity. Silver creek has larger "suction side" plumbing for better water flow and pressure curve than the "Thera Max" pumps. The Cameo has single speed water pumps, so the owners do not have the ability to have low speed light therapy. There are 6 levels of intensity of therapy in the Haven Spas with just the speeds of the jet pumps and the use of air and turbo air. In the Cameo, there is two levels. ( Considering how expensive the Cameo is, why would anybody buy one over the Silvercreek?)
Therapy Pump Ratings: Pump 1 Pump 2 Pump 3 Circ Pump	1- speed 2.5 HP Continuous 1-speed 2.5 HP Continuous NONE 1/15 HP 48 frame?	2-speed 3.0 HP Continuous 4 BHP 2-speed 3.0 HP Continuous, 4 BHP 2 HP Continuous. 3 BHP Pump One on low speed does the filtering, ozone and heating. Does double duty as both circ pump and therapy pump.	More HP using the same amps with the Haven, according to research. Special controls to run the three jet pumps plus blower and lights. The Haven control system adjusts the total amps as use conditions change.
Total Water Jets	39	39 + Two Master Massage	Sundance uses "exclusive jets" that do not have bearings, so they don't have an rotating large jets at all. They are the only company that does not offer rotating large jets. It is for economic reasons and not having to deal with bearings. Bearings work just fine.
Above Water Neck and Shoulder Jets	ZERO NADA ZILCH NONE Nothing.	4 MEDIUM ADJUSTABLE	Sundance lacks the ability to vacuum form with "reverse molding", and no possible above water jets or "neck collar" that give that deep upper muscle massage. It simply costs more to have a human being to operate the reverse molding blocks.
Leg Jets In the Lounger	Looks like four air jets	Six Water and four air jets	Obviously we think more in terms of actual therapy in our products. It is because the designer likes leg massage. Because of the anti float of our lounges, along with the air and water jets, we get full leg massage and very little floating. The air breaks up the water buoyancy.
Captains Chair Therapy	There is no "Captains Chair" in the Sundance cameo. Looks like four medium jets and two upper jets in one seat with two air injectors. The other seat has a bunch of tiny bullet jets jets.	13 water jets and 3 Air jets. This is the only model series (our lowest priced models) in which we place a few bullet jets in the backs of the seats.. This model has three and only three mixed in with medium and mini Storm jets. This is the only model we have that compares to the Cameo and it is in our lowest priced models.	The "Captain's Chair" is the number one hot seat in all of our models. It is designed with the maximum water flow to achieve powerful jet therapy. There is always an array of three jets across the upper shoulder area and mid back plus lower back jets. Plus the pumps run on 12 different levels of therapy with the Low speed, High Speed, Along turbo air on low speed or high speed. Sundance does not have "turbo air" And it does not have two speed jet pumps.
Six Jet Seat	Sundance has a seat with a bunch of cheap small jets and bullet jets, and they give it a fancy name. I personally dislike that seat, and prefer real jets on my back. I have tested this design and I don't like it much at all.	Two upper medium poly storm jets jets and two mini storm jets, then two medium poly storm jets a the bottom. This "six jet seat" is common throughout the Haven Line of spas because it gives superior therapy and you can pivot to get good side therapy and hip therapy. No bullet jets in the six jet seat.	The Haven Silvercreek is superior in all ways to the Cameo in therapy and in jet use. The Cameo uses a lot of sales hype to sell a bunch of small jets. Whenever you see a full page in a brochure dedicated to a design feature, in a spa brochure, you can rest assured that it is B.S. and they are "selling you on something that is really cheap" or is some "exclusive thing" they do.
Whirlpool Jets	5 each, medium orifice.	We don't like whirlpool jets on feet or up on the wall where they do not good, so we don't use them. It is a good jet for a lower back, so we use it in the "power jet" in our SE and Super Custom, but only on the lower back. Everywhere else it is not so good.	Whirlpool jets are not very expensive to buy and install. They have no moving parts and are not adjustable.
Master Massage Jets	Sundance has no Master Massage jets, because they use a cheaper brand of jets.	Two Huge Master Massage jets with a total of 28 jet orifices outlets. Each jet runs at 80 GPM (gallons per minute)	The twin Master Massage jets are the best foot and leg jet therapy that I have ever experienced. This is one of the reasons why Haven Spas have never lost a wet test against the Cameo. We have dropped the use of other jets (Volcano, and Whirlpool), because they just don't do the job. The Master Massage jets are optional, but if we are trying to compare the Cameo to one of our products, in features and price we put the option on to bring our price up to still be less than the Cameo.
Air Jets or Air Injectors	14 air injectors only 1.5 HP air pump. This is built in to the spa cabinet and is fairly difficult to access for repairs. There really is no blower but a blower motor mounted in side a chamber.	18 each 9 hole air injector jets, with full turbo air to the water jets. 1.5 HP air pump. Separate air pump, easy to access and repair, and commonly available. No exclusive parts.	The Cameo does not take advantage of modern air therapy. They use the blower "sort of". Haven places the air jets strategically to give a pulsating massage up your back in the seats, and full power to the leg air jets and turbo air to the leg jets. This is SO MUCH BETTER! (I stole this design from Hercules and it is really good.)
Exclusive Parts	All of the Sundance parts are exclusive and overpriced for no reason other than making more money.	All the Haven Parts are not exclusive and are better made parts all the way around.	Whenever a spa company contracts with a jet company for parts, they get them cheap. Whoever gets the bid, is going to cut the parts as much as they can to try and get a small profit. That is why the diverter and air control handles on Sundance are so cheap, and the jets are so cheaply made. The standard quality parts cost more and are readily available at decent prices.
Diverter Valves	Sundance Has Diverter Disease. They have two of them. One on each pump. Finally they figured out to allow other jets to run and not put the diverter as the only thing the jet pumps "see".	We know that using Diverters, diminishes the function of the spa. Who the heck wants to wait for jets, or to have only part of the seat function. We plumb the jet pumps to match the jets and use better pumps.	Diverter Valves are bad, very very bad and are a way to fool people. When you walk into a spa store and see spas with 39 jets, but you can't run all of them at the same time, get OUT OF THE STORE and head over to our web site and to our Haven Spa store, where you can get a real hot tub, with out the nonsense.
Control Boxes	Aluminum	Metal Steel or Aluminum,	We use metal aluimiuim or steel and we do not use exclusive parts, so that when time comes to repair, you save on parts. Plus the control system is stronger in the Haven.
Filter	MicroClean II filtration system.	Standard not exclusive filter cartridge and filter parts.	Sundance ties to sell you on expensive filters that are a waste of time. If you take care of your water you don't need to have any special filters. They want you on a system that costs about 6 times what you need to pay.
Lighting	Two LED lights standard	Two LED lights standard.	One in the light lens and one in the waterfall.
Filter Lid	Sundance has a loose filter lid.	We have no loose filter lids	I hate loose filter lids, because of dealing with them.. It is ridiculous to have them on a portable spa.
Head Rests	Three	Three	We like head rests.
Stereo	Optional $1400 for pop up speakers.	Optional $525 for solid speaker mounts in the acrylic shell. 4 Pop up speakers are with sub woofer is 825, same features, except for ipod direct bay. You can still hook up the iPod.	Like everything else on Sundance too much money for too little.
Electrical Requirements	60 HZ 30 A, 50A, or 60A	60 HZ 50/60 AMPs	The Haven Silvercreek Gold is a stronger therapy machine with more expensive equipment.
Seats	5 to 6 Adults	Seats 5 to 6 Adults with more room.	The foot well in the Silvercreek is larger and better for comfort. The whole Silvercreek spa is bigger and still costs less.. The filter housing on Sundance is huge and wastes a lot of space.
MSRP	$12,660 Sale price after car dealership type of negotiation. $10,560	$11,993 Our everyday Sale price; $8161.00	The Silvercreek is about 1/3 more spa for less money. (Hint. If the Cameo is sold for 9 k the Silvercreek is worth 18K) Better made, stronger cabinet, stronger motors, stronger control system, better made shell. The Silvercreek is in our "bottom end" spas and the Cameo is in the "highest end" of Sundance. There is your Clue. (Don't you dare compare our SC or SE or Paramount or Vista spas against this low quality product.)